{"id":1067,"date":"2013-09-18T21:57:48","date_gmt":"2013-09-18T19:57:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/?p=1067"},"modified":"2025-06-16T18:38:14","modified_gmt":"2025-06-16T16:38:14","slug":"about-filters-and-cut-off-frequencies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/?p=1067","title":{"rendered":"About filters and cut-off frequencies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A good question was brought up by my students in the lab exercise in the course Electronics I yesterday: What actually makes the cut-off frequency of a filter circuit (1st order) so special? Why do we look out for a point which happens to be located <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-d2195f9a5c766af86741e3c75958e966_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#83;&#73;&#123;&#51;&#125;&#123;&#100;&#66;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"10\" width=\"43\" style=\"vertical-align: 0px;\"\/> or a factor of <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-30528c08c7ddfca5eba9787a01a8bf09_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#115;&#102;&#114;&#97;&#99;&#123;&#49;&#125;&#123;&#115;&#113;&#114;&#116;&#123;&#50;&#125;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"77\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/> under the amplitude of the pass band? Why not <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-7446f1f13aba59ec74cd9c33fadce0bf_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#115;&#102;&#114;&#97;&#99;&#123;&#49;&#125;&#123;&#51;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"50\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/>, <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-627816a927e53b96e0fbf6498800d09f_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#115;&#102;&#114;&#97;&#99;&#123;&#49;&#125;&#123;&#115;&#113;&#114;&#116;&#123;&#53;&#125;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"77\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/>, <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-a710b21f52d18f61439d2219dede9802_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#83;&#73;&#123;&#53;&#125;&#123;&#100;&#66;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"10\" width=\"43\" style=\"vertical-align: 0px;\"\/>?<\/p>\n<p>The first answer, which has some historical relevance, would be to look at a resistor <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-81d047fe3118b830f42fc3a37224a778_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#82;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"11\" width=\"11\" style=\"vertical-align: 0px;\"\/> and a signal with an amplitude <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-2175536e71dbbecba3bd5d1a95a6d1c6_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#86;&#95;&#48;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"14\" style=\"vertical-align: -2px;\"\/> and another signal with an amplitude  <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-d1dd273dff4932e9ab9d8ae288118aee_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#86;&#95;&#49;&#61;&#86;&#95;&#48;&#99;&#100;&#111;&#116;&#115;&#102;&#114;&#97;&#99;&#123;&#49;&#125;&#123;&#115;&#113;&#114;&#116;&#123;&#50;&#125;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"152\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/> while calculating the electrical power:<br \/>\n[ P_0 = frac{V_0^2}{R}qquad  P_1 = frac{V_1^2}{R} = frac{left(V_0,sfrac{1}{sqrt{2}}right)^2}{R} = frac{1}{2},P_0 ]<\/p>\n<p>The power has been reduced to half the original power, it could be the electric power which is converted to sound waves in a speaker, or the power converted to electromagnetic waves in an antenna.<\/p>\n<p>But already here we can make one important observation: <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-44d2232d1795c1343fe5de3dd8944da4_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#50;&#48;&#108;&#111;&#103;&#95;&#123;&#49;&#48;&#125;&#108;&#101;&#102;&#116;&#40;&#115;&#102;&#114;&#97;&#99;&#123;&#49;&#125;&#123;&#115;&#113;&#114;&#116;&#123;&#50;&#125;&#125;&#114;&#105;&#103;&#104;&#116;&#41;&#61;&#83;&#73;&#091;&#111;&#117;&#116;&#112;&#117;&#116;&#45;&#100;&#101;&#99;&#105;&#109;&#97;&#108;&#45;&#109;&#97;&#114;&#107;&#101;&#114;&#61;&#123;&#46;&#125;&#093;&#123;&#45;&#51;&#46;&#48;&#49;&#48;&#51;&#125;&#123;&#100;&#66;&#125;&#97;&#112;&#112;&#114;&#111;&#120;&#83;&#73;&#123;&#45;&#51;&#125;&#123;&#100;&#66;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"33\" width=\"478\" style=\"vertical-align: -4px;\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Is this everything then? It still sounds random to choose exactly this point. If we for example look at a simple RC filter then we can show another reason which makes this point&#8217;s frequency so special. In a low-pass filter we have a constant amplitude <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-5787b7eddfc20172d71b9d59165cf094_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#115;&#102;&#114;&#97;&#99;&#123;&#118;&#95;&#123;&#117;&#116;&#125;&#125;&#123;&#118;&#95;&#123;&#105;&#110;&#125;&#125;&#61;&#49;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"100\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/> for low frequencies while we observed mathematically and experimentally that the amplitude drops with <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-c5645ae4bb176cb5837032abf722309d_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#83;&#73;&#123;&#45;&#50;&#48;&#125;&#123;&#100;&#66;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"10\" width=\"62\" style=\"vertical-align: 0px;\"\/> per decade of frequency for high frequencies. If we draw out these two asymptotic lines in a Bode diagram, then we will find exactly one point where the lines intersect &#8211; you guessed it: it&#8217;s at the cut-off frequency (the same holds of course true for a high-pass filter). We can see this if we zoom into the area around the cut-off frequency in a Bode diagram:<br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1077\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1077\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_01.png\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_01-300x152.png\" alt=\"Bode diagram of a low-pass filter - zoomed into the area around the cut-off frequency.\" width=\"300\" height=\"152\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1077\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_01-300x152.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_01-1024x520.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_01-150x76.png 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_01-400x203.png 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_01.png 1381w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1077\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bodediagram of a low-pass filter &#8211; zoomed into the area around the cut-off frequency.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n<p>Then was this everything now? Is there more about the cut-off frequency?<\/p>\n<p>As we also saw we have a phase angle of <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-4aba234849281667d2982b81c5b5dac6_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#83;&#73;&#123;&#43;&#52;&#53;&#125;&#123;&#100;&#101;&#103;&#114;&#101;&#101;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"86\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/> (high-pass) or <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-6147e38133055aa65d2e365739bf107b_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#83;&#73;&#123;&#45;&#52;&#53;&#125;&#123;&#100;&#101;&#103;&#114;&#101;&#101;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"13\" width=\"86\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/>  (low-pass) between the input- and the output signal at the cut-off frequency. In the complex notation of the <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-945a8d3fc809be37a33c561ffabb6c4f_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#106;&#44;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#103;&#97;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"14\" width=\"56\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/>-method this correlates to the fact that the real and the imaginary part of the transfer function <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-db3fdfc5a48fa5324bc713d080e1a4de_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#65;&#95;&#118;&#61;&#115;&#102;&#114;&#97;&#99;&#123;&#118;&#95;&#123;&#117;&#116;&#125;&#125;&#123;&#118;&#95;&#123;&#105;&#110;&#125;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"14\" width=\"110\" style=\"vertical-align: -3px;\"\/> have the same magnitude at this point. The relation between real part, imaginary part, amplitude and phase angle I have plotted below for both the low-pass and the high-pass filter.<\/p>\n<p>It is interesting to observe that the imaginary part actually reaches a minimum at this point (<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-db751e03d0cfe04a81f817926999acb6_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#61;&#110;&#117;&#109;&#123;&#45;&#48;&#46;&#53;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"10\" width=\"74\" style=\"vertical-align: 0px;\"\/> for the low-pass filter) or a  maximum (<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/ql-cache\/quicklatex.com-d8c477d20d738c6a201e90f08c4f0c8c_l3.png\" class=\"ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format\" alt=\"&#61;&#110;&#117;&#109;&#123;&#43;&#48;&#46;&#53;&#125;\" title=\"Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com\" height=\"12\" width=\"74\" style=\"vertical-align: -2px;\"\/> for the high-pass filter), respectively.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You can see that the cut-off frequency actually is a remarkable point for a filter circuit.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Low-pass filter<\/strong><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1080\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1080\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_02.png\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_02-300x87.png\" alt=\"Low-pass filter: RC and RL.\" width=\"300\" height=\"87\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_02-300x87.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_02-1024x298.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_02-150x43.png 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_02-400x116.png 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_02.png 1319w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1080\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Low-pass filter: RC and RL.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_lowpass.png\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_lowpass-300x296.png\" alt=\"impedance_lowpass\" width=\"300\" height=\"296\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1083\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_lowpass-300x296.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_lowpass-1024x1013.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_lowpass-150x148.png 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_lowpass-400x395.png 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_lowpass.png 1037w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>High-pass filter<\/strong><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1081\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1081\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_03.png\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_03-300x88.png\" alt=\"High-pass filter: RC and RL.\" width=\"300\" height=\"88\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1081\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_03-300x88.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_03-1024x300.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_03-150x44.png 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_03-400x117.png 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/20130918_03.png 1308w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1081\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">High-pass filter: RC and RL.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_highpass.png\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_highpass-300x296.png\" alt=\"impedance_highpass\" width=\"300\" height=\"296\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1082\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_highpass-300x296.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_highpass-1024x1013.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_highpass-150x148.png 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_highpass-400x395.png 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/impedance_highpass.png 1037w\" sizes=\"auto, 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Why do we look out for a point which happens to be located or a factor of under the amplitude of the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[11,8,27],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1067","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-electronics_en","category-everything_en","category-science_en","entry"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p48grL-hd","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1067","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1067"}],"version-history":[{"count":24,"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1067\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2465,"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1067\/revisions\/2465"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1067"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1067"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1067"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}