{"id":744,"date":"2011-11-01T00:25:39","date_gmt":"2011-10-31T23:25:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/?p=744"},"modified":"2025-06-16T18:38:21","modified_gmt":"2025-06-16T16:38:21","slug":"another-watt-saved","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/?p=744","title":{"rendered":"&#8230;another watt saved&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A few days ago I posted my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/?p=717\" title=\"Teaching an old bug new tricks\">driver prototype<\/a> for a 20&nbsp;W, 700&nbsp;mA, 32&nbsp;V white LED. Under best conditions I reached 85% of power conversion efficiency between the 12&nbsp;V input and the electrical power delivered to the LED. I was not satisfied and one of my suspicions were substantial losses in the power MOSFET.<\/p>\n<p>I had copied drive circuit which boosts the output from the integrated switch-mode power supply driver from an application note which also had been used by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mikrocontroller.net\/topic\/207401#2054465\" target=\"_blank\">other projects on the internet.<\/a> After a bit of simulation and a bit of testing I was able to decrease the power losses by another watt, increasing the measured efficiency at an LED current of 700&nbsp;mA from 83% to 86%.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_747\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-747\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111025_78S40_20W_LED_02.pdf\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111025_78S40_20W_LED_02-300x205.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"20111025_78S40_20W_LED_02\" width=\"300\" height=\"205\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-747\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111025_78S40_20W_LED_02-300x205.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111025_78S40_20W_LED_02-150x102.png 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111025_78S40_20W_LED_02-400x273.png 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111025_78S40_20W_LED_02.png 415w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-747\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The modified switch-mode constant current LED power supply.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>If you compare both circuits you will notice the absence of the 160&nbsp;&Omega; resistor between the output of the 78S40 and the base of the PNP transistor <em>Q1<\/em>. A resistor here could prevent a bipolar transistor from going into saturation, however, <em>Q1<\/em> is not actively driven from the chip! The output of the chip is an open emitter of an NPN transistor only capable of sourcing current, but not sinking it. The only thing this resistor does is to slow down the charging of the MOSFET&#8217;s gate and thus delaying the off-on transient of the MOSFET. Also the 1.6%nbsp;k&Omega; resistor between the gate and ground does not really make sense, since the gate is actively discharged through the PNP transistor in the absence of a positive drive signal from the 78S40. The resulting change in the simulated and measured wave forms can be seen in the following figures.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_745\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-745\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_spice.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_spice-300x243.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"LTspice simulation results of the LED driver circuit\" width=\"300\" height=\"243\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-745\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_spice-300x243.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_spice-150x121.png 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_spice-400x324.png 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_spice.png 864w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-745\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">LTspice simulation results of the LED driver circuit<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_746\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-746\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_osci.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_osci-300x116.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Oscilloscope shots\" width=\"300\" height=\"116\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-746\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_osci-300x116.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_osci-150x58.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_osci-400x155.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.sciencetronics.com\/greenphotons\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/20111027_20W_LED_osci.jpg 825w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-746\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Oscilloscope shots of the gate drive voltage and the drain voltage of the MOSFET, before and after the modification of the gate drive circuit.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The off-on transient of the MOSFET has become much crisper, both in the simulations and in reality. And the real MOSFET now stays a lot cooler, while the inductor still gets warm &#8211; so that&#8217;s where the losses are&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A few days ago I posted my driver prototype for a 20&nbsp;W, 700&nbsp;mA, 32&nbsp;V white LED. Under best conditions I reached 85% of power conversion efficiency between the 12&nbsp;V input and the electrical power delivered to the LED. I was not satisfied and one of my suspicions were substantial losses in the power MOSFET. 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